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That was quite well put... Yes I did have a longer answer but I realize that I had veered away from the specific frame of atheism versus agnostic.
In a strictest sense then I guess I'm an atheist... Because I do not believe in a Creator God or that any kind of being has some kind of conscious shaping to our reality
I will say though I find religion interesting through the lens of mythology and the hand it has had in the shaping of civilization.
Yea religion and mythology can still be interesting. But I just care about truth claims. What do we actually know. I could have sworn you had some other longer reply lol. We will always have questions and we will never know "everything", but we know where the concept of god comes from us. We have so many examples of early mankind creating new and different concepts of god but nothing that comes from objective reality like how we make any normal observations, like humans existing or the sun existing. It comes down to how people define god too but most go with some necessary, timeless, immaterial, all powerul, all knowing intelligent being that acts deliberately and I think that is just so it can fill in the gaps we dont know about stuff. I think we get by with just naturalism and determinism as far as explaining the big question on how we got here to the modern day.
this is such a bizarrely childish idea of what agnosticism is. you think so much like a fundamentalist that I'm willing to bet money you were raised by them.
Nah it wasnt a very religious household. We didnt speak about religion. I had some grandparents who where Christian scientists on one side and heard some crazy stories.
How bout i.....a true spiritual believer in THE CHRIST debate both of you on why "team JESUS" is the best route to base your eternity on
You can try. My thoughts on Jesus was he was just an ordinary man with a philosophy that had a major impact on the world, I view Jesus and the Buddha similar in that sense. Nothing lasts forever. Nothing in this universe is permanent. How do you know anything is eternal?
Faith my friend
I would still love a friendly debate
Sure, I'll bite. But I would like to do it publicly. No point in a debate if it doesn't have an audience. Also, I would like to change the topic from "agnosticism" to "theism." So the topic reads like this: "Atheism is the more reasonable position than theism." Are we in agreement?
Sure I think atheism is more reasonable than theism too. I think god has never crossed the threshold to become truth meaning in accordance with fact or reality. Things that exist have to exist in objective reality; like humans, sun, or Earth. We have an origin. Without god we can explain how the sun formed, earth formed, and nature works on earth that causes life. If we have an adequate naturalist explanation for how we got here without needing a supernatural explanation then we can say atheism is more reasonable because we dont need to prove or disprove anything supernatural to get to the modern day. I dont know what you mean by theism or god but feel free to define it and identify it yourself.
Hold on, Christ. I just wanted a simple agreement to my condition before we launched into the debate so we can make sure we're actually on the same page before we start arguing the topic. Before we begin, I think it's proper that we define our terms and establish which side of the proposition each of us is defending. "Atheism is the more reasonable position than theism." My position is no/disagree. By "reasonable," I mean something like rationally justified and logically coherent, a position that accords with logic and can be supported by adequate reasons. Can we agree on that definition?
Being reasonable is about being fair and I agree to being fair in debate. Im interested in your argument. Not little gotchas or anything. My position would be yes/agree that atheism is more reasonable than theism. We can use your definition of reasonable, but we should also focus on truth claims. Like what is actually a justified true belief. Truth meaning in accordance with fact or reality. Truth is paramount. What definition are you using for theism or god?
What’s wrong with the agnostic approach of saying we don’t know?
What dont we know? We cant start with the question: does god exist? The contingent things we need for our existence is the sun forming, Earth forming, and nature starting life. We can answer those questions with naturalism. We know god came from our human minds to fill in the gaps we didnt know. Thats why god is usually a necessary, timeless, immaterial, all powerful, all knowing being. But we see many examples of human cultures creating gods from testimony or personal experiences, revelation but there should be some fact about objective reality that separates "god exists" from "humans have a concept of god". God has never been a justified true belief. Natural explanations have repeatedly replaced supernatural explanations, we know humans create gods, we have no independent verifiable evidence outside our human minds for a god.
Bro that was a long winded way of saying you don’t know the definition of agnostic is. I hope you copy pasted that from somewhere cuz if you put that much work into avoiding answering the question then I don’t know what to tell ya bud
It looks like you are avoiding answering anything. I gave a reply.
