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enbycipher · 14 hearts · 32 replies

More than half the states in the US still allow the lgbt panic defense to be used in court. And yet, people still try to claim that trans people have "more" rights somehow...

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by caned · 5 hearts

I fucking hate the legalized bigotry

by enbycipher · 2 hearts

Exactly. Legalized lethal bigotry is what it is

by Lv33 Trans Girl · 1 heart

Or systemic oppression, take your pick. Either way, right now more idiots are walking back our rights and protections. They want us removed from society or hanging from a tree. 🫠

by BunniTboi · 2 hearts

It’s genuinely scary the way our legal system and healthcare system are set up to leave us to die if not actively put us in danger.

by enbycipher · 1 heart

Yep. And what's scarier is there's plenty of idiots who purposely ignore these issues, instead pretending that we're privileged with special rights. Last time I checked, a murderer cannot use "I panicked when I found out they were cishet!" as a legal defense for murder...

by Cold-Kittty · 1 heart

This part!

by GenXogre · 0 hearts

The only thing I agree with Muslims about is that you weirdos need to be dealt with. I just don't agree with lobbing y'all off of buildings. Lobotomies should be sufficient.

by enbycipher · 0 hearts

Imagine typing out a literal threat of violence on a public app and thinking you’re the normal one here. Log off and go get some professional help, you absolute embarrassment.

by GenXogre · 1 heart

That's a cute diagnosis but misplaced. I DISAGREE with Muslims about lobbing trannies off of buildings. Did you miss that part? But hey, I'm glad to know you're as anti Muslim as I am.

by enbycipher · 0 hearts

Ok, troll, whatever you say

by Peaceleo · 0 hearts

How long can you last on bed

by grey_evaluator · 0 hearts

Or .... hear me out. Trans people just say it up front and then there is no "panic" associated with it. Crazy idea.

by enbycipher · 3 hearts

Or... hear me out. A person's inherent identity is never a legally valid excuse for assault or murder. ​ We don’t force any other marginalized group to state their identity 'up front' to avoid being attacked, because the law recognizes that bias is not a valid defense for violence. Allowing this loophole to exist simply lets unadulterated bigotry and jury bias into the courtroom, meaning LGBTQ+ people literally have less legal protection. ​ Beyond that, the logic is totally hypocritical. Transphobic people constantly claim that they can 'always tell' when someone is trans. But the second a violent crime happens, they change their tune and claim they 'panicked' because they couldn't tell. You can't have it both ways. A victim's existence is not a legal justification for a killer's violence, period.

by ThiccWhore38D · 1 heart

That doesn't work when ppl will seek out trans ppl to hurt them

by grey_dust · 1 heart

Maybe because people shouldn't go around telling people what their genitals are.

by azure_mailing · 0 hearts

What's the LGBT panic? Genuinely asking, not trolling.

by enbycipher · 2 hearts

The lgbt panic defense is a legal defense strategy for murderers. They claim that upon learning the victim was lgbt, they snapped into a violent rage, implying that the victim's identity is somehow provocation enough to justify or lower murder to manslaughter. It's not legal to use similar defenses, at least in the us, against other groups, like people of color. If it's another group, it's automatically rejected by the court due to laws banning that kind of defense. But for lgbt people, it's still legal to use their identity as an excuse for murder because of bias and bigotry.

by azure_mailing · 2 hearts

Woah, holy hell. That's utterly psychotic.

by enbycipher · 1 heart

Exactly. But somehow, people are still acting like this loophole isn't a big deal, and even that us wanting this defense to be banned is simply us demanding "special" treatment, instead of literal equal legal protections.

by Newtothezoo · 0 hearts

What right is being removed?

by enbycipher · 1 heart

We are the only group that is legally made into a provocation for violence and murder. You cannot use other identities (ie black, woman, Jewish, etc) as a justification for murder. We literally don't have the same equal protections that everyone else does.

by Calling_Truther · 0 hearts

Notice how only in America do we allow you to live with your mental condition and try to let you live comfortably with it. If you hate how it is here go elsewhere and see how bad it really is.

by enbycipher · 4 hearts

Umm no, there's plenty of other countries who actually treat us as humans. Allowing murderers to use panic against us as an excuse to murder is isn't "letting us live comfortably."

by Calling_Truther · 0 hearts

You’re literally fear mongering right now. A simple google search and reading up on websites not some ai overview will tell you tho. Though it is not a banned defense in 29 US states this defense has never once held in court.

by enbycipher · 2 hearts

Not true at all. The murderer of Daniel Spencer used it successfully in 2018 to get only 6 months in prison and 10 years probation. Also, you are not legally allowed to use panic of someone's identity unless they are specifically lgbt. That's discrimination and legalized lethal bigotry. No matter how often its used, it shouldn't be legal to use at all